[movie] Star Wars: The Last Jedi

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I'm taking Dec. 14th-15th off. Am catching a double feature at AMC 2-D IMAX of The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi on the 14th. I think double feature starts at 3, and Last Jedi maybe around 6-6:30; doesn't say on my digital ticket.

Even just 2-D, IMAX to me is horribly overpriced, but I figured this was the right one to splurge on. B)
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  • uxFOOL
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    Catching it at 9:30 on the 14th. 3-D IMAX with my two oldest.

    I will likely be abusing my Moviepass at the Alamo in walking distance from my house for this one in the weeks following

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  • Jimmy the Fish
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    I got tix for Thursday night at 10pm and Friday night at 7pm. Staying away from spoilers these next few days is going to be tough but I am hell bent on doing that because the advance word is that most of the surprises were not referenced in the trailers and I want the maximum impact when I see it. Sadly, when Force Awakens came out, the one big spoiler in it was ruined for me because I saw a screen shot of the moment on some messageboard not named Gaming Trend.
  • Blackjack
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    Me too -- I think I've managed to keep away from anything. Although ironically a couple of these short Tweet animations from Disney/Lucasfilm saying "Don't Let Anyone Spoil Anything" have short glimpses that I worry might be spoiling something. So it's like you have to just put blinders on.

    We may have some snow Friday so I'm hesitant to commit to another show then. I might grab a ticket for an AMC Dolby Cinema 2-D show Saturday if I can get one.

    I know 1st impressions Tweets can be overexcited, but certainly most I've skimmed through have been over the moon. Always tough to live up to that. :) Certainly beats early screeners saying "meh." :)

    I do always wish we had something like that handheld "memory eraser" gizmo in Men in Black, but on a much more minor basis. Ya know, just let us be able to erase our memory of a movie so we can go in fresh again if we want to. B)
  • Jimmy the Fish
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    To me the premiere tweets about Force Awakens two years ago were consistent with how I felt about the movie after I saw it, so to see the overwhelmingly positive tweets about Last Jedi have me excited.

    In this age of social media over saturation, I don't think any movie could possibly match or exceed the hype. Too much gets revealed and discussed before the movie even comes out and the sheer magic of a really great movie gets lost. I see that with Ready Player One right now. But, I am really making the effort with Last Jedi because, you know, it's Star Wars.
  • Bullwinkle
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    Based on history, I'm betting that someone's going to lose a limb in this one.
  • Blackjack
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    I've read there is NO good time to run to the restroom during the 2 1/2 hour movie. :o The AMC app used to suggest "pee times" during movies but I think they removed the feature at some point.

    I'm hoping for this double feature they give us cool movie lanyards (haven't been to a multi-feature since the Cap/Cap Winter Soldier double feature in 2014), which sometimes give you free reign to run at least out to the nearby food court between the showings. Otherwise it's mega salty theater pizza or chicken tenders for dinner before The Last Jedi, and that doesn't seem to bode well for middle aged me avoiding a restroom visit mid-movie. :3
  • Jimmy the Fish
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    What I usually do is 5 minutes before the lights go down for trailers, I run to the bathroom. I can usually last for a 2 hour movie before my old man bladder starts to complain. Two and a half hour movies push the boundaries though.

    I also don't drink anything starting an hour before the movie as well as during the movie.

    Yeah, being old kinda sucks.
  • Blackjack
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    Haha. I empathize. :) So Collider's reviewer loved it, aside from what he deemed fairly minor 'pacing issues,' but as I started reading it realized he falls into that online review trap of "I must describe the entire plotline of the movie and everything that happens, step-by-step before getting to the meat of my review.' No! :p I stopped. Maybe I'll check it out late Thursday night. :)

    After glancing at some others (yeah I shouldn't), I decided what seems safe is literally to just read the 1st paragraph of some of the early reviews coming out. Generally that's safe, and seeing what the critic responded to in big picture terms I think is OK if you just can't resist it. I'm weak. :)

    I'm looking forward to seeing Force Awakens on a huge screen with a big audience again, probably haven't seen it in a theater since Jan. 2016. I still remember seeing our intrepid hero diced like a vegetable by a kitchen knife and thinking "Well, if he just fell on the walkway, maybe they can fix him!" And then. Oh well. I guess not. :'( Anyway, one last chance probably to see Harrison Ford having fun on the big screen again, unless they roll him out for the forever promised additional Indiana Jones sequel down the road.
  • naednek
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    What I usually do is 5 minutes before the lights go down for trailers, I run to the bathroom. I can usually last for a 2 hour movie before my old man bladder starts to complain. Two and a half hour movies push the boundaries though.

    I also don't drink anything starting an hour before the movie as well as during the movie.

    Yeah, being old kinda sucks.

    I can go to the bathroom 5 minutes before and I kid you not, 20 minutes in i feel like I have to go. IT's psychological as the mere thought of being trapped makes me feel like I have to go.
  • farley2k
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    Star Wars The Last Jedi Review - NO SPOILERS

  • Blackjack
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    I found a negative review, Variety's, which labeled The Last Jedi "a disappointment." So the curse of "not every critic can be crazy about this movie!" is over. :o
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  • Blackjack
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    I greatly enjoyed my double feature at an AMC 2-D IMAX screen today (Force Awakens at 3 with no preceding trailers; and Last Jedi at 6 p.m.; though we got a brief video from RIan Johnson before the 6 p.m. show and a neat interview/orchestral performance video with John Williams before the movie started).

    I found Last Jedi amazing, perhaps in a good way just overwhelmed when it was over. I found the Porgs hilarious and don't worry -- they're no Jar-Jar, just some fun little filler in a few scenes. :) Many applause-generating moments in the movie. No need to say more about the overall movie, I think. B) I'm more comfortable sharing my movie geek swag with you guys than my general Facebook audience. So here 'tis......

    Lanyard Pass (not much time between shows; so I stayed in theater and got one of AMC's new flatbread pizzas; really pretty good)
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  • Blackjack
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    I'd steer clear of Twitter before watching this. Surprisingly large number of trolls blurting out spoilers left and right now, and to me a somewhat surprising amount of fan hostility -- I'd guess mostly by fans of the original trilogy who don't want to to give the new characters a chance and don't like Johnson's "outside the box" thinking -- about various things in the movie.
  • Blackjack
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    With a poor night's sleep to think about it, still love the movie but gosh I have several plot point questions :o . Definitely a movie of "What the what?" moments. Maybe some day, not for a while, we can spoiler code talk about them here. I'm actually dying to get your all's thoughts on some of this stuff. All in due time. :)

    Also, as I told someone on my Steam friends list who is a "JJ Abrams Hater," if you hated Force Awakens and don't like the new characters, then there's no reason to think you'll enjoy Rian Johnson's take any more than JJ Abrams'. By that I mean his combat and action scenes have just as much breathless zip as in any JJ Abrams movie. The new characters are still, well, who they are. :)

    And if you hate everything JJ Abrams has any involvement in, then probably you still won't like Last Jedi, and since JJ's returning for the 3rd movie, you might as well write off the trilogy and go complain about something else. :s
  • uxFOOL
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    I loved it. My favorite part about it is that I genuinely have no idea where the series is going to go next, and that's very exciting. Looking forward to seeing it again very soon

    Mike Dunn
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  • Jimmy the Fish
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    Saw it last night and I loved it. However, I think it is going to be a very polarizing movie within the fandom. The messageboard over at bluray.com is filled with people who are hyper-critical and flat out HATE the movie. I guess I can understand that but I really think a lot of these people need to let go of their overly romanticized nostalgia of the past movies. To me, the end of the movie sets up the notion that Ep 9 is completely about Rey vs Kylo. Everything else is pretty much side story. Force Awakens was a fan service call back to beloved characters. Last Jedi was the transition from the old favorites to the new generation. I fully expect the next movie will have very few elements of the old trilogy stuff. Leia would have been the last lingering element but Carrie Fisher's death probably accelerates that notion now.

    There were things I had issues with, and I will spoiler tag them so fair warning if you have not seen it yet:
    1) the resistance bombers were incredibly lame. Slow floating deathtraps that drop WWII style bombs-- in space. I guess gravity is a non-starter. And of course one single bomber takes out a dreadnought just like that.
    2) floating Leia using her latent force powers to float back to the cruiser was a complete WTF moment.
    3) the entire sequence on the casino planet felt unnecessary as did Benico del Toro's character who was pretty throwaway.

    That being said, I can see the most controversial elements that will drive people to hate the movie:
    1) It took a lot of guts to suddenly kill Snoke, who was built up as the ultimate bad guy, and who we now don't get to find out the backstory. It almost feels like JJ Abrams had a particular vision for that character that was more fleshed out, and Rian Johnson decided to just not bother with it.
    2) Building up the mystery of Rey's parents only to pass it off as essentially a red herring. Again, this feels like something JJ had a vision for and Rian Johnson went in a completely different direction.
    3) Changing a lot of the lore of what is possible with the Force. Snoke essentially connecting Rey and Kylo over Force Skype messaging unbeknownst to everyone, Force ghosts who can touch and interact with the real world.
    ) The entire character of Luke Skywalker was fundamentally different from what people expected really. I can see why Mark Hamill initially had problems with the direction RJ wanted to take that character.

    Like I said, I loved it, but maybe my mind will change somewhat after I've had time to digest it and see it again, which I am tonight. I do agree with uxFool that the end of Last Jedi is taking Star Wars into a completely new place. JJ Abrams has his work cut out for him. There is a lot of potential with where Ep. 9 can go.
  • Bullwinkle
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    Saw it this morning and had a great time. As others have mentioned there are some bold choices in here that I think are going to be polarizing, but that I think hold true to the nature of Star Wars, ultimately.

    Like Fool said, there's no telling where we're going next, and part of that is because, much like how Force Awakens echoes the original film, Last Jedi seems to do the same with the next two.

    However, I'm not convinced that all of the bold strokes are going to be as resolved as they seem to be.
    I know Kylo Ren said Rey's parents were nobody, but why are we meant to accept him at face value? He could be manipulating Rey, or, more likely, Snoke manipulate Ren to think this was true.

    More telling than Ren's comment was Rey's vision in the Dark Side Butthole, or whatever. I'm usually unable to piece shit together from these abstract dream sequences, but this one felt incredibly transparent to me. Rey was standing in a long line of other Reys which she herself said was finite, then she asked to see her parents...and she saw herself. Oh, I thought, she's a clone. Seriously, I don't even see another way to interpret that.

    So we still don't know who her real parents are (even if they are nobodies), but I also don't think she's the only clone.

    I think Snoke is going to be back. I think he may be a clone, and we'll see yet another one as an early shock twist in the next film. Of course, instead of that, we may get something unprecedented: a Dark Force Spirit. It would pair well with Luke's own blue spirit that we will see in the next film.

    And for sure Luke will be back. Yoda appearing was more than just fan service. It was a reminder of the possibility. And he disappeared in his cloak like Obi Wan. I mean, really, it's not even a question.

    However, I don't know how they're going to handle Leia. I was really surprised to see that she didn't disappear in this one.

    Anyway, in the end, I don't think this movie answered any questions, really, except for why did Luke run off and how did Kylo Ren come to be, but that played out almost exactly like everyone assumed (although I really liked the roshambo style of the revelation). Fortunately, I'm okay with the way that they made it seem like they did.
  • Bullwinkle
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    Saw it last night and I loved it. However, I think it is going to be a very polarizing movie within the fandom. The messageboard over at bluray.com is filled with people who are hyper-critical and flat out HATE the movie. I guess I can understand that but I really think a lot of these people need to let go of their overly romanticized nostalgia of the past movies. To me, the end of the movie sets up the notion that Ep 9 is completely about Rey vs Kylo. Everything else is pretty much side story. Force Awakens was a fan service call back to beloved characters. Last Jedi was the transition from the old favorites to the new generation. I fully expect the next movie will have very few elements of the old trilogy stuff. Leia would have been the last lingering element but Carrie Fisher's death probably accelerates that notion now.

    There were things I had issues with, and I will spoiler tag them so fair warning if you have not seen it yet:
    1) the resistance bombers were incredibly lame. Slow floating deathtraps that drop WWII style bombs-- in space. I guess gravity is a non-starter. And of course one single bomber takes out a dreadnought just like that.
    2) floating Leia using her latent force powers to float back to the cruiser was a complete WTF moment.
    3) the entire sequence on the casino planet felt unnecessary as did Benico del Toro's character who was pretty throwaway.

    That being said, I can see the most controversial elements that will drive people to hate the movie:
    1) It took a lot of guts to suddenly kill Snoke, who was built up as the ultimate bad guy, and who we now don't get to find out the backstory. It almost feels like JJ Abrams had a particular vision for that character that was more fleshed out, and Rian Johnson decided to just not bother with it.
    2) Building up the mystery of Rey's parents only to pass it off as essentially a red herring. Again, this feels like something JJ had a vision for and Rian Johnson went in a completely different direction.
    3) Changing a lot of the lore of what is possible with the Force. Snoke essentially connecting Rey and Kylo over Force Skype messaging unbeknownst to everyone, Force ghosts who can touch and interact with the real world.
    ) The entire character of Luke Skywalker was fundamentally different from what people expected really. I can see why Mark Hamill initially had problems with the direction RJ wanted to take that character.

    Like I said, I loved it, but maybe my mind will change somewhat after I've had time to digest it and see it again, which I am tonight. I do agree with uxFool that the end of Last Jedi is taking Star Wars into a completely new place. JJ Abrams has his work cut out for him. There is a lot of potential with where Ep. 9 can go.
    1) I agree the bombers were a stupid design, but I loved the sequence. The human story of trying to get those bombs to drop was great. And, yeah, we've already accepted gravity in space in these movies (a Star Destroyer sank into Death Star II, if you recall). Assume the big ship generated its own gravity so the people wouldn't go floating around, maybe, and the field was a big one.

    2) I don't think Leia's floating was WTF. It was a surprise, sure, but it showed that she learned how to use the Force to some degree, at least. I wonder if that wasn't meant to play a bigger role in the next film, though...

    3) I agree that the casino planet, while a fun sequence (and with a good moment called back at the end [I actually already tried to find a Secret Rebellion Ring online. No luck. Yet.]), was mostly filler that went on a little long. Especially when the whole movie was happening in real time while it was going on. It stretched credibility on that score. However, it also served to give us more insight into my absolute favorite new character: Rose.

    1) See my previous post for why I think Abrams Snoke backstory is yet to come.
    2) same with Rey (especially Rey)
    3) Why do we assume we know all that the Force is capable of? None of this felt canon-breaking. It just added to it. What Luke did was clearly a lot, as evidenced by his fate after. I actually went through a few nitpicky moments through that sequence, each of which was answered. "Wait, if there's only one entrance, how did he get in?? Oh..." "Wait, how did he give Leia the dice [awesome callback, btw] if he's not really...oh..."
    4) I didn't think Luke was fundamentally different, per se. He went away for the reasons I assumed, cutting himself off from everything (including the Force, which I didn't expect). And when R2 played the "Help me Obi Wan Kenobi" hologram (loved that), the cracks of his hardened shell showed (we saw the "real" Luke beneath). Hell, his stand down with Kylo, in the black robes and all, was almost the same as what he pulled with Jabba, but without the cocky, youthful optimism.
  • Bullwinkle
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    On Laura Dern:
    She felt pretty unnecessary to me, although I liked her character. At first I thought having Leia do all of that might have been a better send off, but it also would have seemed a little out of character. However, I think Admiral Ackbar deserved a more heroic send off than getting sucked out into space. They should have just left him in charge. Especially because it would have been an even more heroic callback to the whole "trap" incident of yore.

    And why the hell didn't she let Poe in on her plan (or anyone, for that matter)? What point did that serve, exactly?

    EDIT TO ADD:

    And another thing:
    If she didn't tell anybody the plan, how did Benicio Del Toro have the information about the shuttles to sell out to the First Order?
  • Jimmy the Fish
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    1) I agree the bombers were a stupid design, but I loved the sequence. The human story of trying to get those bombs to drop was great. And, yeah, we've already accepted gravity in space in these movies (a Star Destroyer sank into Death Star II, if you recall). Assume the big ship generated its own gravity so the people wouldn't go floating around, maybe, and the field was a big one.

    2) I don't think Leia's floating was WTF. It was a surprise, sure, but it showed that she learned how to use the Force to some degree, at least. I wonder if that wasn't meant to play a bigger role in the next film, though...

    3) I agree that the casino planet, while a fun sequence (and with a good moment called back at the end [I actually already tried to find a Secret Rebellion Ring online. No luck. Yet.]), was mostly filler that went on a little long. Especially when the whole movie was happening in real time while it was going on. It stretched credibility on that score. However, it also served to give us more insight into my absolute favorite new character: Rose.

    1) See my previous post for why I think Abrams Snoke backstory is yet to come.
    2) same with Rey (especially Rey)
    3) Why do we assume we know all that the Force is capable of? None of this felt canon-breaking. It just added to it. What Luke did was clearly a lot, as evidenced by his fate after. I actually went through a few nitpicky moments through that sequence, each of which was answered. "Wait, if there's only one entrance, how did he get in?? Oh..." "Wait, how did he give Leia the dice [awesome callback, btw] if he's not really...oh..."
    4) I didn't think Luke was fundamentally different, per se. He went away for the reasons I assumed, cutting himself off from everything (including the Force, which I didn't expect). And when R2 played the "Help me Obi Wan Kenobi" hologram (loved that), the cracks of his hardened shell showed (we saw the "real" Luke beneath). Hell, his stand down with Kylo, in the black robes and all, was almost the same as what he pulled with Jabba, but without the cocky, youthful optimism.

    I should clarify what I meant:
    The stuff about Snoke, Rey, the Force and Luke, I actually found all that really exciting. I mentioned all those because they are the things I see consistently mentioned by people who really hate the movie. Seems like those elements are central to whether or not people love or hate the movie. There is an incredible amount of nitpicking going on with people who dislike the movie but I guess that's Star Wars fandom in this day and age for you. I personally think a lot of fans can't seem to accept these new Star Wars movies because of their highly rose colored filter and nostalgic love for the old movies. I get that. They hold a very emotional sentimental value to a lot of fans, but I find it so amusing that a lot of times, their criticisms can easily be applied to the previous movies. It's not like they were cinematic masterpieces themselves. They have their own ideas of what a Star Wars movie should be, and if it doesn't conform to that, it's shit. I got to stop reading those other messageboards really.

    Regarding Leia, to me that scene was a wtf moment because while we all know that she has force tendencies simply because of her biological lineage, there's been no manifestation of that in any of the previous movies, so for her to suddenly show a pretty significant force action was really out of left field, but I guess in hindsight I shouldn't be surprised since Rey has been showing force mastery out of just natural evolution. But that scene threw me for a loop because for a second I thought that was how they were going to deal with Carrie Fisher's death. Now, who knows how they'll address that in the next movie.

    I agree with you on Laura Dern's Admiral Holdo character. I too wondered why she didn't let Poe in on her plan. That whole thing was poorly written.

    Few more things I really liked:
    -That whole light saber battle with Rey and Kylo going tag team against the red guards was all sorts of awesome. Just a fantastically choreographed scene with some spectacular finishing moves.
    -The hyperspace jump crash by the resistance cruiser into Snoke's mega-ship was awesome as well. The entire theater was like "oh my god!"
    -Mark Hamill was utterly fantastic in this movie. His death scene, against the backdrop of the twin sunset was a great callback to the innocent farm boy looking at the twin sunset on Tatooine scene in A New Hope. One of my favorite scenes in the entire movie.
    -The sequence where the Tie Fighters chased the Falcon through the underground tunnel on Crait with the classic music playing had me grinning from ear to ear. A fanboy moment.
    -I love Rose Tico.
    -I also loved every scene with the Porgs. Yes, they are nothing more than a merchandising opportunity but dammit, I love those cute little critters!

    And how long do we have to keep using spoiler tags??

  • Bullwinkle
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    I have my own little nitpicky moments, but they're minor. I have talked to others who seem to be in mind with what you've seen, so I get it.

    I think with Leia's floating, it was meant to be out of left field and show something we didn't expect from her. I don't think it was meant to be like Rey where she's never held a lightsaber, as far as we know, but was amazingly adept from the get go. My impression was not that this was the first time she had tapped into her Force potential. Certainly she didn't seem surprised to be using it (and I don't know that everyone on board was surprised, either). That said, I don't think she's meant to be a major Force user or anything.

    The lightsaber battle was awesome, and I loved the surprise Snoke moment. I even loved the "Don't do this stuff" after. At one point (going along with my assumption that Rey is a clone of some sort), I thought one of their helmets was going to come off, and Rey would be inside.

    Hyperspace crash was spectacular. Almost too much so! Like, why aren't they doing that all the time.

    The flight of the Falcon was really fun, and I also love the Porgs AND how little they were used. They were like Tribbles, almost. Used more, and they might have been annoying. I also loved the deadpan caretakers not caring for Rey.

    Rose for the win! Loved her so much.
  • Jimmy the Fish
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    Well I'm glad people on this board liked it despite the minor issues. I think Star Wars fandom in general has lost its collective mind.
  • Blackjack
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    I found the movie amazing and think I'll try to catch an AMC Dolby Cinemas Sunday.

    Interesting spoiler points. Here's a couple of my spoiler coded additions to spoiler-discussions. :)
    BOMBER:
    While I agree the bomber design seems wonky/ridiculous -- what happened to the Y-Wings and B-Wings anyway? -- I've seen the Resistance as lacking the resources and galaxy-wide support of the Rebellion, so I could maybe understand them having to improvise a design of rickety nature. And I guess it seemed necessary what happens on it to Rose's later inspirations; though certainly they could've come up with a less Rube Goldberg situation for her sister.

    I told somebody I about cried to see an A-Wing, which I remember as far back as the 1993 X-Wing space combat game but don't recall seeing in movies to this point. [If it was in Return of the Jedi, I guess I don't remember it because it didn't play any sort of prominent role there; I think it's flown by the female squadron commander in Last Jedi on the bombing run]

    LEIA:
    I agree LEIA as self-reviving Space Ghost comes out of nowhere, is never explained and nobody even asks "HEY HOW DID YOU DO THAT?" I think Ben/Kylo holding his fire is a powerful moment, and this Leia as Space Ghost was really unnecessary, imho. I can't say it gnawed at me, I just didn't understand the point of it.

    LUKE:
    At my double feature screening, it was as if we spent two whole movies waiting for Luke to really once again Be Luke Skywalker; be heroic, use all of his Light Side powers to save the day. The entire IMAX theater was applauding and cheering at the point that he brushes his collar off following the AT-AT barrage. I was waiting for him to say "My Turn" like Tony Stark/Iron Man, and just wreck all the First Order forces and have a climactic battle.

    So I feel like what's polarizing to some fans is that building up to Luke Saves the Day and instead it's "Luke Creates a Ghost so the Resistance Can Get Away to Fight Another Day." I found it ultimately quite heroic, it's just not what the whole build-up led the audience to expect. It won't surprise me if the movie's "Cinema Score" with surveyed viewers is low because the movie has a lot of feints and "this isn't what I expected' moments. I mostly enjoyed that, but can kind of see how it's upsetting less open-minded fans.

    And of course that's not ultimately what we got. In fact it's maybe more like the scene in Iron Man 3 where it's revealed Tony's just piloting some drone-like Iron Man robots via remote control. Or God Forbid, even Terminator 3's finale, where the goal is really not to save the day, it's just to "survive."

    Which left me at WTF. Like when have Jedi been able to project themselves such that their own friends can't recognize them as holograms or whatever? He seemed quite "real" in the cave with the Resistance remnants. You always knew in Empire and Jedi when Obi-Wan or Yoda was a Ghost/Spirit.

    ENDING:
    I agree JJ has his work cut out. I mean if that's literally all that's left of the Resistance, they don't have much more than the squad did in Rogue Squadron, right? I would think he'll take his cue from that earlier scene where they say their distress message reached others but nobody responded. I would expect at some point in Episode 9, someone will respond. B)
    An AMC aside -- I tried one of its new Flat Bread Pizzas (BBQ chicken) for $8.79, and it was surprisingly good. My God it even even has some vegetables on it. =) Thumbs up.

    Ordering for pickup via app (not available in all AMCs yet, I think) I'm using more and more to skip the lines and drudgery. Thumbs up.

    OTOH, $14.99 (!) for a Bavarian Pretzel???? Not unless it's sprinkled with gold and maybe the size of my skull. You've lost your minds, AMC! Thumbs down.
  • Bullwinkle
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    The A-Wing is definitely in Return of the Jedi.
    I really don’t get the griping about Force powers we haven’t seen before. We hadn’t seen lightning before the Emperor used it.

    Frankly, I love the respect and awe this movie had for the Force. I think it’s the thing I liked most about the movie.
    Okay, back to Rey’s parentage: I’m flummoxed by the fact that all the articles I’ve seen online are accepting Kylo Ren’s comment as fact. We’ve already seen that he was beig fed, er, fake news.

    The focus is on the wrong bit of information. That visit to the Force cave is the key. Again, I think it means she’s a clone.
  • Blackjack
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    I'm catching it again in a couple hours. Just a 2-D Regal show, sitting too far up front cause the tickets got reserved so fast. The AMC Dolby Cinema showtimes weren't good for my Sunday schedule. Maybe on another day.
  • Jimmy the Fish
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    I saw it again Friday night and really enjoyed it more than the first time.

    I am honestly surprised by, and can’t really understand, the widespread hostility and hate of this movie. A lot of fans, presumably hardcore fans, are crying about how Rian Johnson and Disney have completely destroyed the essence of Star Wars. Wow. Pretty over the top if you ask me. I’ve never seen such a disconnect between how I felt about a movie compared to others. I’m almost embarrassed to post that I really liked the movie.
  • Blackjack
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    Plenty of people like it. I think any online fan hate of any type of entertainment tends to get overamplified. So don't feel in the minority. :)

    Also ironic that the consistent complaint about Force Awakens (for anyone who cast shade on it) was that it felt like a re-tread of Star Wars a New Hope. Now Johnson tries to shake things up and not fit into easy expectations and previous molds, and he's taking a lot of heat for that. Nobody's going to complain about a $220M opening weekend; I guess the question is whether this fan backlash has any impact on subsequent weekend box office drops.

    Back to spoilers, on my 2nd viewing today (2-D Regal, fairly large reclining chair type theater), I did enjoy it more and maybe because it wasn't part of a Double Feature this time, Last Jedi felt crazy short. Late in the movie I realized the ending was maybe 15 minutes out and I was shocked; didn't feel I'd been there even an hour.

    I was only disappointed with my audience -- no applause, no cheering of any characters, most of the laugh lines that were belly laughs for the Double Feature audience elicited little or no reaction from the audience. I could just be spoiled by the hard core Double Feature audience. But I remember passionate reactions from audiences the first couple of weeks that I saw Force Awakens shows in Dec. 2015. Kind of surprised the audience for this seems so unresponsive. But it's just one show.

    Some thoughts on 2nd view (some of them crabby; but I love the movie still):
    -I look forward to hearing more from R. Johnson on why he didn't leave certain things on the cutting room floor.

    e.g., Do we really need Luke milking some gross beast's udders and slugging it down with relish? What does that add to the character?; Do we really need Leia as Flying Reincarnated Space Ghost? Does that add anything to the character, when we already know she has force abilities? Couldn't he have cut maybe half the minutes on Canto, which really just comes across as another wacky Star Wars bar, and we don't need more of those, and the Del Toro stuff which really just seems like a pointless red herring and a convoluted way to get Phasma briefly into the movie.

    -I did NOT notice Luke's X-Wing sitting under water by his island until this 2nd viewing. Well probably it's rotten and unusable now; but given the decimation of the Resistance by movie's end, maybe they go there in Ep 9, and restore Luke's X-Wing so Poe can fly it. I think that would be a fitting passing of the torch. :)

    -I still feel like I know nothing about Supreme Leader Snoke. Who is he? Why's he so mad? Why does he look so misshapen? Does he even know how to use a light saber himself? I'm sure as with the zero background Captain Phasma, he probably has some thick hardcover book about him that I don't feel like reading. I would've thrown out the beast udder milking in favor of 30 seconds primer on Snoke so I feel something when he croaks instead of well "he's a gross-looking meanie!" I guess I could say the same about the Emperor in Episodes 4-6; and he wasn't clarified until the prequels.

    -I agree I don't understand why Holdo doesn't explain her plan -- unless she thinks there's an Empire spy on the ship and doesn't want to give it away. I'm in no position to tell Rian Johnson how to write a screenplay; but I would've had an Empire spy on the ship, and then Holdo not wanting to reveal anything could make sense. She wouldn't want to give her cards away, so to speak.

    -As far as "why doesn't she use autopilot," well clearly then she wouldn't be able to do the light speed battering ram sequence (which seems like something that would need to be done manually). Though I don't think we can relate the two since her character takes seemingly forever to improvise that idea. I mean, I don't recall in various movies if '"auto pilot" is ever used, especially during combat sequences.

    -While I enjoyed the idea at the end of these youths that Rose and Finn freed aspiring to join the Resistance some day, I hope Episode 9 doesn't become like parts of Revenge of the Sith, with little moppet Jedis played by wooden child actors floundering around with their training light sabers. Don't do it, JJ!
  • Bullwinkle
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    I saw Luke's X-Wing, and it definitely felt like an Empire tease that never got resolved (sure does seem like a thread to pick up in the next film, but, IMO, there are already enough of those). I saw online that some thought Luke could have used it to fly to the rebels instead of Force Hologram himself there. One thing I missed entirely, though, is that apparently the doors of Luke's hut are made from X-Wing parts. So that might explain something.

    I really do feel like we're not done with Snoke for the reasons you mention and more.
  • Blackjack
    Blackjack
    GT Member edited December 2017
    Star Wars.com Poll: Which Star Wars the Last Jedi Character Are You?
    http://www.starwars.com/news/quiz-which-star-wars-the-last-jedi-character-are-you

    My result was rather shocking...
    Kylo Ren????????
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    All this fan-second guessing does remind me of the 1981-1983 era after Empire. No Internet, and I was in Korea at the time. So my connection to Star Wars discussion was limited to reading print mags such as Starlog and Fantastic Films. Those had so much hyperventilation about stuff. But I don't recall Rage or Hate back then. Back then it was.....

    -Was Darth Vader really Luke's Father? Or was it a lie he told to throw Luke "off his game."
    -Was Han Solo maybe another Force-user, since he, well used Luke's light saber as a Taun Taun scalpel? :D I did for a time daydream that in Revenge of the Jedi (the title we thought it was in that era) it was actually Han who'd step in at the last minute for a climatic light saber battle.
    -There was even some speculation about Boba Fett having some deeper meaning as a character, which Jedi obviously flushed away abruptly instead.

    I just don't remember fans being angry per se. Some fans then didn't buy the idea of a teeny Muppet as a mighty Jedi master/trainer. A few critics thought it was "too dark" and that Empire's cliffhangar finale wasn't a "real" ending for a movie. I just don't remember in letters to the editor in the magazines any fans saying screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan was out of his mind or didn't understand the characters. Or that director Irvin Kershner had ruined their memories of Star Wars: A New Hope or something.

    Maybe the Internet and anonymity just brings out the worst in people in a way that writing signed letters to the editor to magazines back then didn't. My recollection (and I have a lot of back issues of Starlog and Fantastic Films) was fans certainly nitpicked some of the movie decisions, esp. Return of the Jedi. I just don't recall them really insulting/degrading the makers. I can understand asking why plot points took place, what's the reasoning; I just don't understand the rage and hate and throwing Tweet insults at Rian Johnson. To me that behavior's very disappointing imho.
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