[TV] Survivor 2018: David vs Goliath

rittchard
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Unfortunately I missed the first few minutes, so a few key things like why the heck puny Mike White is a "goliath" were lost on me.

I started getting into the show more in the second half but I still have relatively few first impressions. For the most part I liked the David team much more than the Goliath one. Maybe it was deliberately edited to make you more sympathetic, I don't know. I liked the two nerds, the Asian MMA girl, and the only guy who's name I remembered, Nick. I go back and forth on whether I thought he was cute, but I'll give him a hot for the moment. No one else quite ringing a bell at the moment except for the guy that injured his back.

On the Goliaths, I was really distracted because half the people didn't seem very Goliath-y. Again, missing the beginning probably was a problem. I was totally confused about Mike White, I just assumed he was a David. Then I kept wondering what I'd actually seen him in before, and got him confused with Mike Judge (and Mark Judge). Even more distracting was that they somehow got the "Filthy Lady" from Fear the Walking Dead on their side. Every time she was in it I couldn't stop thinking she was going to kill someone, turn them into a zombie on a stick, and write shit on their faces. I noticed at least two hunks of beefcake that I enjoyed, and again, the rest were a blur. It really doesn't seem fair to have all the physically stronger folks are together but maybe it will make for good TV.

Just based on the first ep I think I prefer this season's cast over the last, but really it's way too early to tell.

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  • Jimmy the Fish
    Jimmy the Fish
    GT Member edited September 28
    I guess the whole notion of the Goliath team is that they are alpha personality successful in some aspect of their lives. It's not necessarily because of physical prowess, although clearly the pro wrestler is there because of his physical success. Amazing Race Mike is on that team because he's been a long time "successful" Hollywood writer.

    I tend to gravitate to underdogs so the David team is more interesting to me. This season's format will work as long as the challenges are not heavily skewed towards physical tasks but the nature of the game is that it's physical so I don't have much hope that the David team will gain the upper hand before the merge happens. On the Goliath team, the SWAT guy openly flirting with the pretty blonde is going to be his undoing. Showmances always blow up in the couple's face and I don't believe for one minute that those two, especially SWAT guy can keep it discreet.

    The super nerdy guy on the David team is someone to watch. He's weird, quirky and super nerdy so everyone will underestimate him, including his own team, which will allow him to kind of skate by in the background for quite a while. No one is going to take him seriously as a threat, especially physically. I do like the purple haired, lesbian from Puerto Rico (her words). She seems pretty sharp, although the preview for next episode suggests she might be in trouble, but you know how they love to misdirect with editing.

    I felt bad for the guy who got airlifted out. When they came back from commercial break straight to him on a stretcher, it was a WTF just happened moment to me. For second I thought I might have skipped my DVR recording ahead somehow. Reading up online about what happened, evidently the seas were really rough that day with 15-20 foot waves (yikes). The boat taking them back to camp hit a wave, went up, and as it came down, the guy was airborne for second and landed really hard, compressing a couple of vertebrae in his back. He said he doesn't actually remember any of what was shown in the episode. He actually stayed at the Ponderosa ranch for several weeks doing physical therapy and eventually fully recovered. That's good to know since it looked pretty bad when he was on the beach being evacuated.
  • rittchard
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    Nice to hear the details about the airlift guy, thanks. Yeah the way it was weirdly edited I thought just for a second he might die or be paralyzed or something.

    I'm definitely rooting for the nerdy guy, he reminds me so much of this really nice guy I worked with a few years ago. He's also kind of like a less annoying version of Cochrane, so that might work to his advantage.

    In terms of the challenges, as much as the physical portions demand attention, generally in this early stage, the puzzles are equalizers. I actually thought they'd catch up with the puzzle but I guess those other guys were pretty good too. It's always hard to tell who is actually really good at the puzzles and who is just lucky.

    I almost wish they'd do away with the conventional hidden immunity idol now as it seems like a major distraction. As soon as you start looking you have a target on your back, and yet I can't imagine it's not always tempting to be looking. Then if everyone starts looking it's just kind of weird. Having them as part of the game definitely serves as a hidden power balance, but I wish there was some other way to do it.
  • Jimmy the Fish
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    There is a new twist this season though. Apparently, there is an anti-idol in play so if someone finds it and plays it during tribal, it can neutralize an immunity idol that gets played. Kind of an interesting twist, but it feels like a lot has to go right for it to work properly. My problem with the hidden immunity idol is that they make it seem far too easy for these people to find them. There has to be more of a challenge to find these things instead of letting the players go running around in the jungle on a random scavenger hunt.
  • rittchard
    rittchard
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    There is a new twist this season though. Apparently, there is an anti-idol in play so if someone finds it and plays it during tribal, it can neutralize an immunity idol that gets played. Kind of an interesting twist, but it feels like a lot has to go right for it to work properly. My problem with the hidden immunity idol is that they make it seem far too easy for these people to find them. There has to be more of a challenge to find these things instead of letting the players go running around in the jungle on a random scavenger hunt.

    Yeah it sure seems that way, especially some of the seasons where the same guy would find them like 2 or 3 times. And why is it always the men who find them lol? It was interesting I think this last episode one of the people actually said it was a lot harder than it looked on TV from the way it's edited. Probably a lot of fans have made the same comment/complaint. I think we tend to forget they are there 24/7 and each episode we only see a tiny percentage of how their time is spent. It seemed like in seasons past you kind of got that grindy day-to-day feel more, but the editing is more stream-lined now to make the show move along and focus on all the game/strategy elements moreso than the survival part.

    I don't remember if anything exciting happened last week. Oh yeah, I guess (surprise!) the Davids lost again and then they blindsided one of the non-descript blond girls. I did like that she kind of got her comeuppance after making some comment like "if you wait til tribal to start playing it's too late" or whatever. I hope this isn't another of those seasons where the one tribe just keeps bleeding and then they are forced to mix the tribes early or divide them into 3 or whatever, but it seems like it might be heading down that path.
  • Jimmy the Fish
    Jimmy the Fish
    GT Member edited October 9
    I have a hard time believing that the David tribe will not be completely owned by the Goliath tribe in challenges. Sure they're smart but the are clearly out-classed in physical challenges.

    Jess, the blonde, really got what was coming to her and it was classic seeing that smug look turn to shock when her name kept getting read. First tribal of the season and there's a classic blindside right away.

    For the Goliaths it's only a matter of time before SWAT guy's showmance gets broken up. Seems like everyone is on to them and the pretty blonde already has the target on her back. It doesn't help that SWAT guy has a self proclaimed weakness for pretty girls. He's not even doing a good job of hiding his puppy dog eyes at the blonde. Too bad. With some self discipline, he has the potential to go far. The older black woman is living on borrowed time as well. She is too much of a stubborn ego-maniac to see that everyone really hates her.
  • rittchard
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    Well what do you know, the producers actually found a challenge that the Davids could win. Unfortunately I think they already started planning for the worst and are already doing the tribe mix up next week. I really don't like the change coming so quickly because it kind of defeats the entire theme/premise. A couple more episodes of Davids getting crushed couldn't have been too bad, could it?

    Speaking of which, I'll have to ask whether the Mason-Dixon thing is cute or annoying. I'm admittedly blinded by my nerd/bromance crush so I'm guessing it's probably irritating other people. Also I thought Christian was super tight with Gabby but he didn't seem to flinch when his buddy wanted to throw her under the bus. Maybe I confused that conversation though.

    Anyway, the shift over to the Goliaths had a few interesting moments. All edits made it appear The Filthy Lady was going home (especially when they give you the captioning on her offering to do the puzzle before she fails it), but clearly she knew something we didn't because she was acting far more reasonable than ever before at tribal. And her adversary (who originally tried to act like her only ally) was flipping out for seemingly no reason. Again, this was probably a product of the editing so that it would appear to be a blindside. But given the way he was ranting it seemed like he already knew. Then again, I thought he had an idol or did I get that confused? Either way, it never pays to get too self righteous in this game and the Filthy Lady lives on to torment us at least one more week.

  • rittchard
    rittchard
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    Gah my DVR went bonkers and I missed most of the episode. I saw the final "blindside" but didn't have much perspective on it. Did they divide the tribe 3 ways or something? Why were there only 5 on one tribe?
  • Jimmy the Fish
    Jimmy the Fish
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    So, at the beginning, the two tribes met for what they assumed was an immunity challenge. Before Jeff could even say anything, the Vietnamese MMA girl told everyone she had to quit the game because her knee was injured. I think this was apparent at the end of last week's episode. She was limping around pretty badly after the immunity challenge.

    After this Jeff declared that they were shuffling tribes and there were now three tribes of mixed David/Goliath members. Somehow the super nerd guy and the nerd girl managed to stay on the same tribe along with three alpha male Goliath guys (the wrestler, the SWAT guy, and one other). One person, the truck driver from the Davids, was automatically sent to exile island where he found the immunity idol nullifier. He would return to the tribe that goes to tribal council and essentially replace whoever got voted out.

    So the tribe that lost and went to tribal consisted of three Goliaths and two Davids. So the three Goliaths were already in an alliance and had agreed to vote out the cowboy girl. But leading up to tribal, the two Davids kept working on the one Goliath guy telling him he had to make a big move right away. The editing was a little chaotic and confusing, but essentially, the one Goliath guy turned on the two Goliath girls and voted with the two Davids and thus blindsided one of the girls, and boy was she PISSED. Tribal was hilarious with people whispering into other people's ear in front of everyone.

    Personally, I think the guy flipped on his alliance way too early. There's still three tribes and a lot of people in the game and there really was no strategic benefit to turning on his alliance at that point. He's now aligned himself with the Davids which automatically makes him an outsider and low person on the totem pole.

    Here's a more detailed account of what happened if you are curious:

    https://www.realitytvworld.com/news/survivor-david-vs-goliath-recap-bi-nguyen-quits-and-natalia-azoqa-voted-out-after-tribal-swap-24776.php
  • rittchard
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    Thx Jimmy! I guess I missed quite a bit, grrrr.

    I agree that Alec flipping didn't make a lot of sense, unless maybe he already didn't like Natalia from before? While I understand the whole "big moves" and "building your resume" thing, it seems like people get too caught up in it too early. Especially in a 3 tribe situation, the chance that the people will make it to the jury AND remember these early game maneuvers is pretty slim, especially people that weren't clear threats to begin with.
  • Jimmy the Fish
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    Yeah the lead up to exile showed that Natalia was being aggressively bossy about who the Goliath three should vote for. Natalia was hell bent on voting for Elizabeth the cowboy girl. Alec wanted to vote Davie out. The third girl, whose name escapes me, was going to vote for whoever Natalia said, but there was a scene where Natalia was super bitchy in the way she told the other girl to vote for Elizabeth. This all took place in front of Alec, and that pretty much gave him the excuse to proceed with the blindside. He really did not like Natalia even though they were in an alliance.

    If you can find the episode on a streaming service, you should watch the last 15 minutes or so, after the immunity challenge was done. Tribal council was pretty entertaining.
  • Jimmy the Fish
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    Is this a first? I'm commenting on the latest episode before rittchard? :)

    Not a surprising episode really. There was the fallout from the previous tribal council blindside du jour but it seemed to blow over pretty quick. I'm relieved that bossy Natalie FINALLY got voted out. Her attitude and bossy personality was really annoying. Plus she was the slowest one during the challenges. In hindsight, it was a boring but predictable elimination but of course there has to be some kind of made up doubt so they edited it to make it seem like the purple haired girl was the one to get voted out. The whole bit with the jacket was hilarious. I don't know what that was about, but if I am in danger of getting eliminated those bitches would have to pry my jacket from my cold dead hands. Classic that Natalie didn't even respond or look at the girl asking for her jacket on the way out. Some nerve.
  • rittchard
    rittchard
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    OMG I'm losing my touch lol!

    No surprise she finally got voted out, more surprising she survived as long as she did with her grating personality. She's the type though that had she somehow found a way onto the jury would make a great goat since she'd have zero chance of winning it all. I was kind of hoping she would make it just for the spectacle.

    It's interesting that they aren't following their Goliath numbers. I think part of this is they split the tribes up too quickly this season when it looked like it was going to be a runaway train. I suppose from a show perspective it is better this way, but it definitely takes away from the overall "game" aspect.
  • rittchard
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    Alright let me get back on track!

    Last night was basically gearing up for the merge next week. Some interesting dynamics were shown, likely to set up future "plotlines." The "brochachos" theme is kind of disturbing. I really like Christian but it makes me feel like I'm watching one of those movies about high school jocks having fun with their pet nerd and the nerd eating it up. Still he seems like an interesting focal point as we see in the preview. Someone says he's the heart of the Davids, but his real threat is that he has good relationships on both sides. It looks like he's going to ally with my favorite hottie Alec? But what about his other boyfriend (Mason-Dixon) Nick? He's like the male nerd equivalent of a slut as he seems to have relationships with ALL the hot guys. WTF lol. Clearly he's become one of my favorites this season, which might mean he gets eliminated next week. You'd think they'd start targetting the alpha male threats, as there are a bunch of them this year, but thus far it doesn't seem to be a theme. Hasn't anyone notice how dominant Alec is at challenges? Oh well.

    Back to the "main" plot, the editing made it seem like they'd save Lyrsa because Angelina is more strategic, but then they flip on us and dump her. I suspect it was just an editing trick and it was likely much clearer in reality that they were sticking together. I don't understand Nick's rationale, as he even says he doesn't trust Angelina, and she definitely doesn't seem very trustworthy. Maybe I missed something but it was kind of annoying. I guess since all my favorites are still intact I didn't really care, but if they start picking off Davids it will be a bummer.

  • Jimmy the Fish
    Jimmy the Fish
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    Yeah, it definitely felt like manufactured suspense and doubt concerning Lyrsa getting eliminated. I was kind of sad watching that tribe really struggle with the immunity challenge. They just didn't have the muscle power to carry that big cement plate with water.

    I'm okay with Angelina and her extremely tight pants sticking around.
  • Jimmy the Fish
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    I'm not sure what the hell I watched last night but it was pretty entertaining in the sense that if Elizabeth cow-girl was going to go out, might as well burn the whole f-ing place down. It didn't prevent her from being voted out but I can't wait to see how much post tribal drama it causes next episode, especially for hottie mc-tight pants, who is getting more annoying with each episode.

    I really hope someone can force the dynamic to be more chaotic because right now it's playing out as a boring pickoff parade of Goliaths voting out a David each week.
  • rittchard
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    I really hope someone can force the dynamic to be more chaotic because right now it's playing out as a boring pickoff parade of Goliaths voting out a David each week.

    That's exactly what I was thinking. I have to give the editors credit for making it seem like there are some interesting things going on, but I wonder if the reality is just the boring majority rules. If they take out Christian (and they probably should), the rest of the Davids are pretty much fodder. It won't even matter when they get taken out.

    The odd thing this season is that the more conventional targets of past seasons (power couples, alpha males) are not being targeted much. Weaker Goliaths like Mike should be actively taking out players like Dan, Alec and the other muscle dude. I would have loved a Dan blindside this week, given he's holding 2 idols on top of being a strong challenge player AND having a second vote in his pocket.
  • Jimmy the Fish
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    Holy shit. What an epic tribal council. I won't spoil it in case rittchard hasn't seen it yet, but after so many seasons it's crazy tribal blindsides like what happened in the latest episode that reminds me why I still love this show.
  • rittchard
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    Holy shit. What an epic tribal council. I won't spoil it in case rittchard hasn't seen it yet, but after so many seasons it's crazy tribal blindsides like what happened in the latest episode that reminds me why I still love this show.

    Oh yeah that was so fantastic, I was yelling and screaming at the screen. Most of the episode I was whining about it being a "pick off the Davids" scenario, and I hated that they were targeting one of my favorites (Christian). I kept telling my partner there's no way the producers are gonna let him go, he's too likable! I'd also read some comment from Jeff that made me think it was too soon, but they sure made it seem pretty hopeless.

    The best part of the episode for me though was watching the comeuppance (also good editing), particularly when there was the mildly racist comment "oh can you imagine those two coming up with any kind of plan?" (then the flash to the two African Americans goofing off), as well as Muscles and his #brochachosblindside. While I would have preferred it be Dan, I literally did not have any inkling they'd go for Muscles. Of course now in retrospect, given that it seemed like there was actually some intelligence behind the final result, I wonder how they chose him (and not Dan).

    Next week should be really interesting as there has to be some ramifications. I hope someone outs that duplicitous Mike. I really liked him early on, but what a sneaky little bastard. Go Davids Go!!!
  • Jimmy the Fish
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    Omg, that was amazing. Double idol played and then the look on everyone's faces when they collectively couldn't see what was going to happen. I give Muscles credit though. He could have been very angry and bitter but he took it all in stride and admitted they got him good.
    Dan does need to go next. I got a good laugh when he was so cocky about holding the sand bags above his head and talking smack to the other team during the reward challenge, and of course, he dropped and caused his team to lose. Classic douchebag move.
  • Jimmy the Fish
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    Holy shit. Just when it seemed like the brochacho blindside could not be beaten for high entertainment, this week’s blindside was even better! The face of the victim going from happy to sad was hilarious. One of the all time great Survivor moments.
  • rittchard
    rittchard
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    Holy shit. Just when it seemed like the brochacho blindside could not be beaten for high entertainment, this week’s blindside was even better! The face of the victim going from happy to sad was hilarious. One of the all time great Survivor moments.

    Oh yeahhh!!! I've been wanting to blindside BroDan forever now lol!! But the way it happened was just EPIC. I can see now why some were saying this season was so good, because early on I was questioning it.

    One thing I wonder is how much the producers can or try to influence the outcomes, and how much is just editing. Obviously they want us to think it is all unbiased, but clearly they have ways to manipulate things to their advantage. Placement of hidden immunity idols, rule changes, new advantages, tribe shakeups, which challenge to use when, can all be changed on the fly to make for a better show. Or... do they just film everything and edit it in a way to tell the story they want to tell? Obviously Christian was a producer favorite, but was that because he did so well on his own, or did they find ways to protect and nurture him forward?
  • rittchard
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    Fun 2 hour episode! The clash between Christian and Alec for immunity was epic. The funniest part for me was as soon as it began, I was like, Christian should go eat since he has zero chance of winning. And sure enough I was as wrong as I could be. I loved when he started talking robot stuff and Alec looked like he was going to pass out, that was fantastic. Ultimately it was smart to take Alec out, in spite of the editing that made it look like there were other options. It seemed pretty obvious to me he was a "challenge beast" since pretty much Day One, and yet no one was saying it until this week. I don't know if it was editing or stupidity.

    The second elimination was more interesting, and it was fun to see yet another overconfident comeuppance. I still cannot comprehend why Mike isn't considered a bigger target. He has been playing and backstabbing for quite a while now, yet Christian seems fine with it. Maybe he's not considered a threat to win it all because he is "famous"?

    Previews for next week looked interesting, whiny Gabby now wants to flip on Christian after he's coddled and protected her the whole game? Ugh she is annoying as f. But, she makes a great goat because no one is going to pick her to win.

    Let's look at the final 8:

    Christian - clearly the producer's favorite and currently the favorite to win it all. He seems genuinely likable, has played solid, has good relationships/alliances, and still has an idol. Of course that makes him the biggest threat at the moment so he could be blindsided if he gets overconfident

    Nick - he was one of my favorites from near the beginning, plus he has an idol. He has kept kind of cool and under the radar, but has been in the mix for most of the game, so I'd say he has a decent shot at winning. I'd like to see him hook up with Christian again for a final 3 alliance, they were pretty cute together.

    Mike - he's pretty funny and seems generally well liked, but he's really been like this sneaky little flip-flopping weasel all season long but never seems to get called on it. Given he's also "famous" I kind of feel like he won't be rewarded with a million dollars but he could be a good person to take to the final 3

    Wonder Woman - I thought that was hilarious when Mike called her that. I never got that vibe but whatever. If she can get into a strong alliance with Christian (presuming Gabby tries to backstab him and he uses his idol to survive) she could go to the final 3 and maybe win

    Kara - she just seems like an extension of the frat boys, I don't really see her winning

    Angelina - she's been conniving throughout, but she definitely seems to have annoyed pretty much everyone at some point. I still think they should have got rid of her a long time ago.

    Davie - he seems to be a better player than I thought, but without Carl it feels like he's just fodder. I did enjoy his "black card" moment but again, I don't see him winning it all

    Gabby - a good goat, I can see her making final 3, but her tantrums and whining are just so annoying. I'd say about zero chance of winning (which given my track record might actually help her lol)
  • Jimmy the Fish
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    I pretty much agree with your assessments. Gabby is getting truly annoying as F--. And to be honest, she is riding Christian's coattails hard. If she makes it to the final, no one is going to vote for her because she's done nothing.

    Mike is like Christian in the sense that he has a likable personality and doesn't come off as a physical or even mental threat. He's just kind of there, but he is playing a very subtle game thinking out strategy and moves without telegraphing them or making a big deal about it.

    Angelina and her hot pants need to go. She is now just annoying. Even worse is that she fancies herself as some sort of major player when she is not.

    I like the fact that all the physical alpha male bros are all out, so the more cerebral players now have a legit shot at going all the way.
  • Jimmy the Fish
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    OMG, poor Gabby. Sometimes trying to make the big move blows up hard in your face, but at least you tried.
  • rittchard
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    OMG, poor Gabby. Sometimes trying to make the big move blows up hard in your face, but at least you tried.

    Haha yeah she totally deserved that, what an idiot. I really felt like that was a terrible move for her at this juncture. I understand the logic, and I like that she understood she couldn't win against Christian, but it was premature and presumptuous to take out a finals threat for someone like her. It's not like she was a power player (in terms of alliances), or any good at challenges, so what was her plan to actually get to the finals without him? The only thing she had going for her was her alliance and their combined voting block, plus his idol. They should have been able to broker that to get to final 5 or so. Instead all she did was f his game completely and f herself. What a turd.
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