21:9 gaming computer

Zinfan
Zinfan
edited February 2016 in Hardware / Software Hell
In the very early stages of planning a new gaming rig for myself. Currently I have a i5 2500k cpu with a Nvidia 670 card but I don't want to just upgrade this computer, the idea is to offload the games to the new system and use the current one for the day to day stuff. It looks like 21:9 monitors will cause any video card to suffer but I could live with some graphic cut backs for smoother gameplay. I think I'd splash out for the more expensive monitors that cost twice as much as the lower res ones with the idea that it can continue on as video cards catch up.

So far I figure on a system based on
i5 6500k cpu,$250 maybe a i7 6700K for $370
980Ti Vid card $650
DDR4 ram [email protected] $80 or double to 16GB for $160
Z170 based motherboard (ASUS Z170-Deluxe ATX Motherboard perhaps) $300
Case, power supply, fans etc...$?
SSD drive plus big data drive $?
Yikes Acer X34 Predator monitor at $1300 :eek:

Looking at Amazon I did notice something a bit odd, the Acer X34 is a Gsync monitor and they have the same basic monitor in AMD Freesync for only $980 so a savings of $320 on the monitor alone but I'd have to leave the Nvidia camp and head over to the Radeon side of the gaming world. I don't think the R9 Fury X can keep up with the 980Ti day to day but of course more research needed. Also the Gsync's are out of stock (not that I'm in any great hurry).

So somewhere in the range of $2500 as a baseline. Anything I may be missing on while planning to spend my retirement monies? Any favorite components you would go for? Favorite case, power supply or hard drives?


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  • rittchard
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    I didn't even know 21:9 monitors were a "thing" now lol so I looked some up on Amazon, wow! Did you consider this one:

    http://www.amazon.com/Dell-UltraSharp-U2913WM-29-Inch-Widescreen/dp/B00BIBB1KI/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1456705574&sr=8-4&keywords=21:9+monitor

    Looks pretty good to me and $400 less.

    I recently ordered a system from Maingear which looks to be pretty similar in terms of power to what you listed (based around single 980Ti). I ended up paying right around $2700 including tax, but this was *without* a monitor. I didn't pick anything too special for mobo or case, but I did go extra for the Samsung 950Pro SSD.

    My original plan/hope was to use it mainly as a Steam Host, especially since my iMac has a great monitor but weak graphics card. Not sure how well that will work out. Of course now that you introduced me to these giaganto monitors my plans might change and maybe I'll just dump the iMac :P :P :P
  • EngineNo9
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    I've thought about getting a 21:9 monitor but I know I'd need to get a high end videocard to drive that. I do like the idea of having it more wrapped around, though. And from everything I've heard most games that don't support 21:9 do a good job of just displaying in the center.

    Oh, also, Zinfan I think it would totally be worth the relatively minor cost to go with 16GB of RAM if you can.
  • Zinfan
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    on 1456706217:

    I didn't even know 21:9 monitors were a "thing" now lol so I looked some up on Amazon, wow! Did you consider this one:

    http://www.amazon.com/Dell-UltraSharp-U2913WM-29-Inch-Widescreen/dp/B00BIBB1KI/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1456705574&sr=8-4&keywords=21:9+monitor

    Looks pretty good to me and $400 less.

    I recently ordered a system from Maingear which looks to be pretty similar in terms of power to what you listed (based around single 980Ti). I ended up paying right around $2700 including tax, but this was *without* a monitor. I didn't pick anything too special for mobo or case, but I did go extra for the Samsung 950Pro SSD.

    My original plan/hope was to use it mainly as a Steam Host, especially since my iMac has a great monitor but weak graphics card. Not sure how well that will work out. Of course now that you introduced me to these giaganto monitors my plans might change and maybe I'll just dump the iMac :P :P :P


    I'll have to do some research on that Dell, first look at specs shows it lacks G-sync tech and tops out at 60Hz refresh rate where the $$$$ Asus has G-sync and 100Hz refresh. For the price difference I need to see how much those things matter.

    I did a proto build on http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WGL7kL and it clocks in at just under $1800 minus a monitor, keyboard and mouse. Still giving it some thought as I balance the time I spend on my pc vs how much monies I have. I retired last year and I am currently in limbo with the majority of my funds in IRA accounts that i don't want to touch for 4 more years but I do have what I call my bridge funds that will sustain me until then and based on my costs over the 7 months I've been off work I won't have any problems buying this system even with the expensive monitor. Just have to get used to the fact that all that money I saved over the years is now to be spent on stuff I want/travel.
  • Zinfan
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    on 1456711795:

    I've thought about getting a 21:9 monitor but I know I'd need to get a high end videocard to drive that. I do like the idea of having it more wrapped around, though. And from everything I've heard most games that don't support 21:9 do a good job of just displaying in the center.

    Oh, also, Zinfan I think it would totally be worth the relatively minor cost to go with 16GB of RAM if you can.


    Yeah I've been researching stuff after I posted and realized 16GB RAM minimum. Not all that expensive.
  • Zinfan
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    I think I may wait just a bit before deciding on a monitor. Asus is releasing what appears to be the same monitor as the Acer Predator X34 so that might spur some price cuts (or not, the X34 is sold out everywhere anyways at $1300). Since this will be a long term monitor for me (I currently am using a Dell I bought in 2011 and will continue to do so) I tend to think G-sync and 100Hz refresh will be pluses I will want. Ths Asus appears to be called the ROG Swift PG348Q. I do keep thinking what Dying Light would look like on a 21:9 system.
  • DOSHIGH
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    I've been looking at new monitors for over a year now and still can't figure out what I want. The premium price for the X-34 is just crazy to me, could almost get 2 34" curved for that when they are on sale. I would also hold off on an video card purchase, if possible, until nVidia releases it's new chipset which could be a soon as April but probably June. It's suppose to be significantly faster and should cause a drop in 980's unless nVidia is going to set another level for enthusiast gaming cards.
  • Zinfan
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    Good point about the new gpu chipset, I just figured the new ones would be even more expensive but didn't think about the price pressure on the 980's. Price is always a personnel thing, the cost of the Dell 34" while $500 less than the X34 would also seem prohibitive to some users. I can afford the high price of the monitor, in fact I just realized I have two camera lenses that each cost more than a X34 and don't get the time of usage a computer monitor would.
  • rittchard
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    Heh that's true, I bought a couple of camera lenses for my partner and they were way more money than these monitors. When you put it in that perspective it definitely changes my thought process lol.

    So I guess my question is how much advantage/enjoyment is it using the 21:9 monitor factor for gaming? Does it make a difference in 2.5D games like Diablo 3? Also what does the G-Sync bring to the table?
  • EngineNo9
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    on 1456869947:

    So I guess my question is how much advantage/enjoyment is it using the 21:9 monitor factor for gaming? Does it make a difference in 2.5D games like Diablo 3? Also what does the G-Sync bring to the table?


    If you're curious, Dave Snider (formerly of Giant Bomb) got a 21:9 monitor a few months ago and he puts up monthly screenshots.

    His batch for February include several from Divinity: Original Sin that make it look quite useful: http://www.davesnider.org/gallery/february-2016-screenshots/ And a few from Pillars of Eternity in December that look maybe not as useful in some dungeons: http://www.davesnider.org/gallery/december-2015-screenshots/
  • Zinfan
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    G-sync as I lightly understand it matches the refresh rate of the monitor with the video card (Nvidia only, AMD has similar tech called Freesync I think). This process prevents screen tearing in some way. I've never seen it compared to a normal monitor but it seems to get extreme gamers excited.

    No idea on the Diablo question, I assume if it supports the 21:9 resolution you would be able to see more of the area around you.
  • rittchard
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    Wow that's fantastic, I'm convinced lol. Now I just need to figure out if I care enough about the Gforcesync or whatever :-)
  • Zinfan
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    Well I started to order my new stuff. I am waiting on the monitor right now, the only place I saw them in stock was a place called NCIX US and while the price was good for that X34 I didn't feel comfortable buying something so expensive from an unknown source. Bought most of my stuff from B&H Photo since I've had good experiences with them and they keep up to date on Amazon and Newegg pricing, add in free shipping and no tax so that adds up in savings. Still need to order a case and I want to test out a mechanical keyboard before buying one. B&H was high on memory pricing and doesn't carry the popular G.Skill brand so I'll get that from Newegg who seem to have the best price $72 for 16GB (two 8GB sticks), reading up on memory it seems you don't get much performance improvement with higher clock speeds so I'll get 2400 vice the more expensive 3200.

    Lets hope the stock market is stable or rising over the next day as I sent in my sell order today to fund this crazy move.
  • Zinfan
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    I have read the Diablo 3 will support 21:9 in windowed full screen mode while Starcraft II won't with some thinking that Blizzard feels the increased view is a competitive advantage. Watched a youtube video of Diablo in 21:9 but at a lower rez than the 3440x1440 the X34 can do.


  • rittchard
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    Between reading some reviews about Gsync and looking at those screenshots, I'm pretty much convinced. FORUM EFFECT!!! :saywhat: :saywhat: :saywhat:

    I ended up ordering (or pre-ordering I guess) the Asus ROG version, which seems pretty similar to the Acer. If the Acer becomes available first, I'll cancel.

    Of course now my computer got delayed, so I still have time to get pre-buyer's remorse :paranoid:
  • Zinfan
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    I'm using this site http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/monitors/ to track stock on the X34 and the Asus one.

    Here is my final parts list from pcpartpicker http://pcpartpicker.com/p/VDDTXL Yikes! but what did I work for all those years but to buy stupid expensive stuff? I did buy most of the stuff from B&H photo to avoid tax and shipping charges and the case, memory, keyboard and mouse from Amazon. All this stuff will be here on Monday so I'll commence building then. Some stuff I went for that added cost to build were the motherboard, getting the Deluxe vs the A added twice the cost but better featrues, The SSD is a true M.2 drive, my original choice was a Samsung 850 Evo that used the M.2 form factor but was still a SATA3 drive so more limited in through put vice a true M.2 drive and I stuck with 512GB when I figure I could get by with 256 but again what is my money for?
  • Zinfan
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    on 1457053947:


    I ended up ordering (or pre-ordering I guess) the Asus ROG version, which seems pretty similar to the Acer. If the Acer becomes available first, I'll cancel.

    Of course now my computer got delayed, so I still have time to get pre-buyer's remorse :paranoid:


    I lean towards the Asus from a visual standing, where did you pre-order it from?

    I'd be curious to see what they put into that Mainline computer.
  • rittchard
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    on 1457057300:

    on 1457053947:


    I ended up ordering (or pre-ordering I guess) the Asus ROG version, which seems pretty similar to the Acer. If the Acer becomes available first, I'll cancel.

    Of course now my computer got delayed, so I still have time to get pre-buyer's remorse :paranoid:


    I lean towards the Asus from a visual standing, where did you pre-order it from?

    I'd be curious to see what they put into that Mainline computer.


    I'm not sure I actually ordered it now lol. I ordered it in Amazon, but now they seemed to have totally taken that off their site. The order still seems to be in the system but I expect it will eventually be cancelled so I'm back on the prowl. I guess you could call me a predator, snort chortle snort.


    Edit: I went ahead and cancelled the Asus and went for the Acer off of Amazon from "Triplenet Pricing" - seems a little shady but we'll see. They don't charge tax for some reason and normal shipping is free, so that makes a big difference. I am expecting something to go awry, will keep my hopes up.
  • Zinfan
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    on 1457130342:

    on 1457057300:

    on 1457053947:


    I ended up ordering (or pre-ordering I guess) the Asus ROG version, which seems pretty similar to the Acer. If the Acer becomes available first, I'll cancel.

    Of course now my computer got delayed, so I still have time to get pre-buyer's remorse :paranoid:


    I lean towards the Asus from a visual standing, where did you pre-order it from?

    I'd be curious to see what they put into that Mainline computer.


    I'm not sure I actually ordered it now lol. I ordered it in Amazon, but now they seemed to have totally taken that off their site. The order still seems to be in the system but I expect it will eventually be cancelled so I'm back on the prowl. I guess you could call me a predator, snort chortle snort.


    Edit: I went ahead and cancelled the Asus and went for the Acer off of Amazon from "Triplenet Pricing" - seems a little shady but we'll see. They don't charge tax for some reason and normal shipping is free, so that makes a big difference. I am expecting something to go awry, will keep my hopes up.


    Let's hold hands because I just did the same thing. No tax and free shipping actually saves me over $50 over getting it at list price plus tax directly from Amazon. The price at Triplenet works out to be the best I could do anyways. I believe you are in California as well? Who gets theirs first? I did look at Triplenet's ratings on Amazon and they seem legit so fingers crossed.
  • Zinfan
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    Well I got the notice that my monitor has shipped via Fed-Ex but no more detail than it should arrive between Mar 10th and Mar 14th. Now the second guessing and hoping a good unit arrives intact.
  • EngineNo9
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    Woohoo! I'm excited to hear more from you guys once you get them set up and tested with a variety of games. :icon_smile:
  • Zinfan
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    FedEx now saying 3/11 by the end of the day so that's nice. Decent shipping speed from an Amazon 3rd party seller. All the parts to build the new computer are out for delivery now so I'll be building it later today and hopefully playing on my old/dying Dell monitor soon.
  • rittchard
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    LOL #holdinghandswithzinfan

    So I got the same delivery date as well for this Friday - hopefully it's not a scam where they only have one unit and sell it to a ton of people lmao!

    Unfortunately it looks like my computer is getting delayed again, was originally supposed to be 3/1, then 3/4, and now I don't know...
  • rittchard
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    Well monitor is supposed to arrive today and be held at a location for me, unfortunately I don't know if I have anything I can use to test it out much this weekend. Computer is supposed to arrive next Wednesday. I have the feeling one or both are going to have issues, but maybe that's just me being paranoid.
  • Zinfan
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    My monitor showed up today and it is very very good, have yet to look for light leakage that seems to be an issue with other X34's but I've played Dying Light at 3440X1440 and it is great. Dying Light is the only game I have installed on the new computer that supports 21:9 but the other games I've installed are Dark Souls 1 and 2 and both of those take some extra tweeking to get them to display correctly and I'm not sure I want to go that far for those games. I'm going to try Rebel Galaxy now and see how that looks. rittchard I did notice that the first time I plugged in the X-34 the nvidia control panel did not have a section for enabling gsync but there was a driver update for my vid card and once I installed that the option to use gsync was available to me. Also if you've read about the X-34 you may realize it comes setup with a default refresh rate of 60Hz and you have to go into the menu and set it up for 100Hz, I didn't have any trouble doing that.
  • Zinfan
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    Just did a quick run of Rebel Galaxy which also supports the 3440X1440 resolution and wow does it look great! Rebel Galaxy has a lot of dark menu areas so I could evaluate my backlight bleed and I didn't see anything to complain about. Also look up a LCD dead pixel webpage that displayed solid black/blue/white/green/red screens and saw consistent display across the board so I'd say my X-34 has no issues.
  • rittchard
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    In perhaps the most unorthodox setup ever, I have the monitor sitting in front of my iMac, and using that to drive it. Unfortunately the iMac is not able to run the monitor at full res, so looks like I will have to wait til I get my new computer. Still looks pretty cool even with two bars on the side, I wasn't sure how I'd feel about this weird form factor but so far I think it's pretty fantastic.
  • Zinfan
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    Umm I got a free copy of the Division for buying a 980ti card and fired the game up today and it will be hard to go back to the XB1 version! I need to figure out how to get my other monitor that has the XB1 hooked up to it next to the X-34 and have both systems playing The Division and then take a photo of it to show what the difference is. Going to work on that now.
  • rittchard
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    Finally got my computer last night, and was able to get it working with the new monitor. Haven't done any gaming yet but just staring at background wallpaper in this resolution is fantastic. I never imagined using such an odd form factor, but there's definitely something special about it. It hadn't occurred to me until I saw this thread that you could alter gaming much more in the monitor department (aside from getting bigger or higher rez), so I'm pretty excited by this.
  • Zinfan
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    It's like cheating playing Rocket League with the wide monitor.
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