[TV] The Walking Dead Season 8 (Careful there will be Spoilers!)

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  • Bullwinkle
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    It felt oddly incestuous to me. I can't say I'm on board with this new development.


    Yeah, that word popped into my mind, too.
  • Bullwinkle
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    This last episode felt a little too "Time to get the plot moving" but it still wasn't terrible.

    I'm even less into Ricchone than I was last week. The adorable knee holding was just...ugh.

    George Mason went from being in charge of CTU to being in charge of Old Tyme Base Shoppe and Village and is still a dick. I did enjoy watching Maggie feed him his cojones, though.

    I read these recaps sometimes, and they're hit or miss, but the recap of last night's episode was particularly spot on, IMO.

    Also, how the hell did these back-to-basics dorks get the RV out of the mud?
  • Jimmy the Fish
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    I wouldn't expect a whole of significant plot advancement until the season finale, which everyone suggests will be horrific.

    Very awkward scene where Michonne and Rick were making googly eyes at one another during the RV drive.

    It felt really out of character for Rick and the gang to be so over-confident that they can take out Negan. Clearly it's a setup to have very bad things happen to them, but telegraphing so aggressively is a bit much.

    I also don't like the way Abraham is being emotionally neutered and becoming soft. Again, it's like they are setting him up for something really bad.
  • rittchard
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    I wouldn't expect a whole of significant plot advancement until the season finale, which everyone suggests will be horrific.

    Very awkward scene where Michonne and Rick were making googly eyes at one another during the RV drive.

    It felt really out of character for Rick and the gang to be so over-confident that they can take out Negan. Clearly it's a setup to have very bad things happen to them, but telegraphing so aggressively is a bit much.

    I also don't like the way Abraham is being emotionally neutered and becoming soft. Again, it's like they are setting him up for something really bad.


    Yup a lot of that episode felt kind of awkward, but there was enough humor injected to keep me satisfied. I do wonder about the choices they make on who to bring on their missions. Like why didn't Aaron come, he's one of the best diplomat types and has theoretically been scouting people for quite some time. And why bring Maggie + Glenn, why risk the pregnant lady at this unknown juncture? Sure it makes sense for how things worked out with her taking leadership (also considering things that happen with her character later in the comics) but it's also a huge risk. In fact risking all their top fighters and leaders for these risky "away missions" seems a little silly, reminiscent of Star Trek.
  • Bullwinkle
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    I wouldn't expect a whole of significant plot advancement until the season finale, which everyone suggests will be horrific.

    Very awkward scene where Michonne and Rick were making googly eyes at one another during the RV drive.

    It felt really out of character for Rick and the gang to be so over-confident that they can take out Negan. Clearly it's a setup to have very bad things happen to them, but telegraphing so aggressively is a bit much.

    I also don't like the way Abraham is being emotionally neutered and becoming soft. Again, it's like they are setting him up for something really bad.


    Yup a lot of that episode felt kind of awkward, but there was enough humor injected to keep me satisfied. I do wonder about the choices they make on who to bring on their missions. Like why didn't Aaron come, he's one of the best diplomat types and has theoretically been scouting people for quite some time. And why bring Maggie + Glenn, why risk the pregnant lady at this unknown juncture? Sure it makes sense for how things worked out with her taking leadership (also considering things that happen with her character later in the comics) but it's also a huge risk. In fact risking all their top fighters and leaders for these risky "away missions" seems a little silly, reminiscent of Star Trek.


    Alexandria is chock full of redshirts now.
  • Ironrod
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    Very awkward scene where Michonne and Rick were making googly eyes at one another during the RV drive.



    Not liking that relationship. The attraction between them seemed to come out of nowhere. I suppose I could buy it as meaningless random sex but that's out of place for this show.

    The herd needs thinning and there are plenty of relics from old story arcs who would not be missed. Among the A Team, they're foreshadowing death for Maggie, maybe Michonne, and probably Abraham. How many seasons has this show had now? It must be getting near the end and some cast members must be ready to move on.
  • Scraper
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    Very awkward scene where Michonne and Rick were making googly eyes at one another during the RV drive.



    Not liking that relationship. The attraction between them seemed to come out of nowhere. I suppose I could buy it as meaningless random sex but that's out of place for this show.

    The herd needs thinning and there are plenty of relics from old story arcs who would not be missed. Among the A Team, they're foreshadowing death for Maggie, maybe Michonne, and probably Abraham. How many seasons has this show had now? It must be getting near the end and some cast members must be ready to move on.


    This is season 6 and the show still gets huge ratings. So my guess is there will be at least 3 more seasons. If I'm an actor on this show I don't leave voluntarily right now. But I agree the heard has needed thinned the entire season. My guess is we will see more than one long term character death before season 7.
  • rittchard
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    Very awkward scene where Michonne and Rick were making googly eyes at one another during the RV drive.



    Not liking that relationship. The attraction between them seemed to come out of nowhere. I suppose I could buy it as meaningless random sex but that's out of place for this show.

    The herd needs thinning and there are plenty of relics from old story arcs who would not be missed. Among the A Team, they're foreshadowing death for Maggie, maybe Michonne, and probably Abraham. How many seasons has this show had now? It must be getting near the end and some cast members must be ready to move on.


    This is season 6 and the show still gets huge ratings. So my guess is there will be at least 3 more seasons. If I'm an actor on this show I don't leave voluntarily right now. But I agree the heard has needed thinned the entire season. My guess is we will see more than one long term character death before season 7.


    I'm thinking Daryl might be the sacrifice in place of Glenn (in terms of being head bashed by Negan). No other character would be more devastating to the fan base. Or they might just stick with Glenn, which leads Maggie to cut her hair. I don't remember what sparks that in the comic, unless she loses her baby or something like that.


    All we know so far is that the script made people feel ill/sick just reading it, so it's gotta be pretty bad. The only ones I think they wouldn't kill of are Rick and Carl and probably Michonne. Rick and Carl are pretty much the heartbeat of the whole show/comic, and Michonne is kind of irreplaceable because of the samurai sword. There's just too much goodness having that, even if it's just visually (both for the show and comic).
  • Punisher
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    Rittchard, you probably want to spoiler some of that...
  • rittchard
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    Rittchard, you probably want to spoiler some of that...


    Whaaa? I thought all my comments were just pure conjecture...

    Anyway, last night's episode kept me on the seat of my pants, I don't think I took a breath for about half an hour. I don't remember this playing out in the comic like this, but wow, just wow.

  • Punisher
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    Rittchard, you probably want to spoiler some of that...


    Whaaa? I thought all my comments were just pure conjecture...

    Anyway, last night's episode kept me on the seat of my pants, I don't think I took a breath for about half an hour. I don't remember this playing out in the comic like this, but wow, just wow.


    I'm thinking Daryl might be the sacrifice in place of Glenn. No other character would be more devastating to the fan base. Or they might just stick with Glenn, which leads Maggie to cut her hair. I don't remember what sparks that in the comic, unless she loses her baby or something like that. All we know so far is that the script made people feel ill/sick just reading it, so it's gotta be pretty bad. The only ones I think they wouldn't kill of are Rick and Carl and probably Michonne. Rick and Carl are pretty much the heartbeat of the whole show/comic, and Michonne is kind of irreplaceable because of the samurai sword. There's just too much goodness having that, even if it's just visually (both for the show and comic).


    Some of this is kind of spoliery I would think for the comics and show. In the comics:
    Glenn gets killed by Negan
    so your talks on that character are right on the money.
  • rittchard
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    Rittchard, you probably want to spoiler some of that...


    Whaaa? I thought all my comments were just pure conjecture...

    Anyway, last night's episode kept me on the seat of my pants, I don't think I took a breath for about half an hour. I don't remember this playing out in the comic like this, but wow, just wow.


    I'm thinking Daryl might be the sacrifice in place of Glenn. No other character would be more devastating to the fan base. Or they might just stick with Glenn, which leads Maggie to cut her hair. I don't remember what sparks that in the comic, unless she loses her baby or something like that. All we know so far is that the script made people feel ill/sick just reading it, so it's gotta be pretty bad. The only ones I think they wouldn't kill of are Rick and Carl and probably Michonne. Rick and Carl are pretty much the heartbeat of the whole show/comic, and Michonne is kind of irreplaceable because of the samurai sword. There's just too much goodness having that, even if it's just visually (both for the show and comic).


    Some of this is kind of spoliery I would think for the comics and show. In the comics:
    Glenn gets killed by Negan
    so your talks on that character are right on the money.



    Oops, yeah I forgot. I kind of assumed that was common knowledge but you are definitely right!

    Anyways, more conjecture after last night. I don't know if they are purposely toying with our emotions, but I definitely got the vibe that Carol is going to die soon. But then again I also thought Abraham was going to die last week so what do I know. At varying moments I also felt Notcop and Gabriel were also goners, or being set up to die soon.

    Biggest Surprise and other Random Comments:

    Andy survived! I totally thought he was a redshirt fodder. Glad he made it one more episode, he's kind of cute. Love his reactions to Rick.

    Worst dumping of a super hot chick ever! Abraham, what a dog! It's not like he's that hot either, wtf lol! I mean I'd totally do him but I have low/desperate standards.

    I loved the camera pan that revealed where Carol was standing (over Sam's grave with the cookie). That was a heartbreaking moment for me. Also loved the reveal of her "diary" and that she finally got laid since Daryl just isn't putting out. Given all that, I highly suspect she's going to die next week and be the special guest on Talking Dead.

    The "sleep kills" were really brutal and hard for me to watch, as I'm sure was intended. Still made for some brilliant TV and I'm sure we'll have plenty of repercussions.
  • Punisher
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    I've pretty much given up trying to guess which main person is gonna get it. There is enough divergence with the comics that they aren't always a good indicator of what's gonna happen. There are people on the show that are either dead or don't exist in the comics that I always think their time is up... Daryl comes to mind at times and while I would not like it, a part of me wants to see what happens if they do that... I mean in this day and age, it should be easy to find the writers home addresses... :icon_twisted:
    (Although that might also mean he can start on boondocks saints 3)
  • Bullwinkle
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    Well, I peeped a spoiler that really affected that episode for me. A real bummer. Still, knowing it was likely coming didn't lessen the impact too much, in the end, just the shock value.

    I noticed no one talked to Fistbump Notcop yet. I wonder if that'll just happen in the background. I really liked that doctor. I saw someone griping about one of the mundane conversations she'd had with Daryl in an earlier episode, and I just couldn't believe it. I absolutely loved it. Clearly they did two because they kept pairing them up to have meaningless and kind of awkward discussions (tonight's bit about the stick shift was another example). They had a good energy.

    I'm standing by my prediction from the beginning of the season last year that someone big is going to die. I actually saw another spoiler about that (I swear I wasn't hunting these down), though it seemed to be from a different source.

    Either Daryl or Glen is going to get the Negan treatment. They supposedly bought the rights to a song that has lyrics that could go either way. However, there's a rumor that Emily Kinney was on set, so they think she may be singing it to Daryl. OTOH, it could be about the baby. Or it could all be bullshit. I have to say, with Carol away, it's a perfect time for Daryl to buy it.


    Anyway, tonight was another good episode for the most part. I really liked the stuff with Eugene 2.0. I liked the Doc's speech, even though the longer it went on, the more likely the spoiler I'd read was going to come true. But at least Daryl got his crossbow back (which was also spoiled). Although that kind of closure is not a good sign.
  • Punisher
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    I noticed no one talked to Fistbump Notcop yet. I wonder if that'll just happen in the background.


    I believe she is still on the supply run with Glenn. They left right after the savior outpost thing.
  • rittchard
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    Well, I peeped a spoiler that really affected that episode for me. A real bummer. Still, knowing it was likely coming didn't lessen the impact too much, in the end, just the shock value.

    I noticed no one talked to Fistbump Notcop yet. I wonder if that'll just happen in the background. I really liked that doctor. I saw someone griping about one of the mundane conversations she'd had with Daryl in an earlier episode, and I just couldn't believe it. I absolutely loved it. Clearly they did two because they kept pairing them up to have meaningless and kind of awkward discussions (tonight's bit about the stick shift was another example). They had a good energy.

    I'm standing by my prediction from the beginning of the season last year that someone big is going to die. I actually saw another spoiler about that (I swear I wasn't hunting these down), though it seemed to be from a different source.

    Either Daryl or Glen is going to get the Negan treatment. They supposedly bought the rights to a song that has lyrics that could go either way. However, there's a rumor that Emily Kinney was on set, so they think she may be singing it to Daryl. OTOH, it could be about the baby. Or it could all be bullshit. I have to say, with Carol away, it's a perfect time for Daryl to buy it.


    Anyway, tonight was another good episode for the most part. I really liked the stuff with Eugene 2.0. I liked the Doc's speech, even though the longer it went on, the more likely the spoiler I'd read was going to come true. But at least Daryl got his crossbow back (which was also spoiled). Although that kind of closure is not a good sign.


    A little slower than the last two episodes, but definitely very effective. A lot of it was aggravating in terms of seeing these characters try to take (needless?) risks, but certainly understandable given the environment and wanting to prove themselves. But it does set up the need for the Alexandrians to have a different doctor now, so their relationship with Hilltop is even more important.

    I'm pretty sure more than just one major character is going. But of the "untouchables," I agree Daryl is a high percentage chance to replace Glenn's spot, particularly if Carol is gone/dead too. Or maybe Carol is the one? Next week has a "surprise guest" on TD and Daryl is already listed for the finale FWIW. Also the Rosita actress made me feel like she was gonna bite it soon, too, as she kept saying "everyone goes eventually" last night.

  • Bullwinkle
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    Well, I peeped a spoiler that really affected that episode for me. A real bummer. Still, knowing it was likely coming didn't lessen the impact too much, in the end, just the shock value.

    I noticed no one talked to Fistbump Notcop yet. I wonder if that'll just happen in the background. I really liked that doctor. I saw someone griping about one of the mundane conversations she'd had with Daryl in an earlier episode, and I just couldn't believe it. I absolutely loved it. Clearly they did two because they kept pairing them up to have meaningless and kind of awkward discussions (tonight's bit about the stick shift was another example). They had a good energy.

    I'm standing by my prediction from the beginning of the season last year that someone big is going to die. I actually saw another spoiler about that (I swear I wasn't hunting these down), though it seemed to be from a different source.

    Either Daryl or Glen is going to get the Negan treatment. They supposedly bought the rights to a song that has lyrics that could go either way. However, there's a rumor that Emily Kinney was on set, so they think she may be singing it to Daryl. OTOH, it could be about the baby. Or it could all be bullshit. I have to say, with Carol away, it's a perfect time for Daryl to buy it.


    Anyway, tonight was another good episode for the most part. I really liked the stuff with Eugene 2.0. I liked the Doc's speech, even though the longer it went on, the more likely the spoiler I'd read was going to come true. But at least Daryl got his crossbow back (which was also spoiled). Although that kind of closure is not a good sign.


    A little slower than the last two episodes, but definitely very effective. A lot of it was aggravating in terms of seeing these characters try to take (needless?) risks, but certainly understandable given the environment and wanting to prove themselves. But it does set up the need for the Alexandrians to have a different doctor now, so their relationship with Hilltop is even more important.

    I'm pretty sure more than just one major character is going. But of the "untouchables," I agree Daryl is a high percentage chance to replace Glenn's spot, particularly if Carol is gone/dead too. Or maybe Carol is the one? Next week has a "surprise guest" on TD and Daryl is already listed for the finale FWIW. Also the Rosita actress made me feel like she was gonna bite it soon, too, as she kept saying "everyone goes eventually" last night.




    Characters who talk about buying it don't buy it, although she's been spectacularly useless of late. And it still takes me a couple of seconds to recognize her without her hat. And bellybutton.


    This may be the best line I read in a recap in forever:

    "Are we supposed to believe Daryl Dixon, redneck extraordinaire, can’t drive a stick shift? REALLY? Daryl Dixon. His name sounds like a Confederate flag brought to life."
  • rittchard
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    Well that was... entertaining... in a frustrating kind of way. I know they are setting up for the Negan finale but some of the reckless behavior by the more expereinced characters is frustrating. This is like the 3rd or 4th time we've seen someone get the drop on them; if they were any other characters they should all already be dead.

    WARNING: some comic semi-spoilers ahead, although I'd assume most everyone has heard the gist of them by now.

    Anyway, I thought I'd take a moment to do some analysis on who might get killed/bashed or whatever in the finale:

    Daryl - 40%. Right now I'd say he looks like the highest probability. He's the featured guest on Talking Dead along with the producer/writer, so that seems like a lineup intended to defend the decision and console fans somewhat. He would be potentially the most devastating loss of all the characters from the fan-side, but in terms of major future storylines, he's not as big a loss since he was never in the comics. But, given the end of last night's episode and his overwhelming popularity, maybe he gets a pass.

    Carol - 40%. Her erratic behavior the past two episodes is all over the place and her character seems to be spiraling out of control. The actress looked really down in her last showing on TD, and seemed to pause every time she was asked a question, like she was trying to hold something major back. While she is possibly my favorite character on the show, I think her time may just be up. Even if she isn't bashed, I suspect she might die regardless. Perhaps we'll lose both Carol and Daryl, which would be as devastating as it gets for a show like this.

    Michonne - 35%. Originally I'd have her in the untouchable category, but now that she's with Rick, she becomes someone that would make it a massive traumatic loss to Rick. And let's face it, with the way he has been behaving, he is overdue for a comeuppance. Rick's scene with Abraham reinforced the stakes are greater. Add to that in real life, the actress is a successful playwright who might have deeper career ambitions, I wouldn't be too surprised if she's the one to go. Still, having the show with no samurai sword would be really a setback. And even this show may have problems head-bashing a woman. Of course as above, no one promised only one major character would die.

    Glenn - 30%. As has been widely publicized, Glenn was the character in the comics that got Negan-bashed. I'd say he's still a high probability target, but given his escape from death earlier in the season, he might have bought himself a reprieve.

    Rosita - 20%. She survives a long while in the comics, but since Sasha has more or less supplanted her and Abraham dumped her ass, she doesn't seem to have as much use. But her lack of overall importance to the show may also keep her alive as well.

    Maggie - 10%. Looks like she might lose her baby and/or her man, so that's enough devastation for her. Plus she's already been set up to for leadership in the aftermath so I think she's reasonably safe.

    Rick - 5%. Man oh man that would be the ballsiest thing in TV history to kill Rick off with a grand head-bashing. And let's face it, he kind of deserves it after being so overconfident of late. But this show is so much his story and his show that I sincerely doubt they would go that route.

    Morgan - 5%. As much as I wouldn't mind seeing him go, I think his presence as the Rick-counterbalance are too important for the show's current themes.

    Notcop - low probability to meet Negan but higher to die, especially with her girlfriend gone.

    Sasha - 2%. She seemed way too happy on TD for someone whose character had died. Plus with Andrea dead, she's the only resident sniper.

    Carl - 1%. He already got his eye blasted out, so I'm thinking he's safe for this finale.

    Judith - 0.5%. They wouldn't kill a baby would they? Even Negan wouldn't bash a baby!

    Non-descript other characters - they may not get Negan'd but I'm guessing a few more will go by episode's end.
  • Bullwinkle
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    Well that was... entertaining... in a frustrating kind of way. I know they are setting up for the Negan finale but some of the reckless behavior by the more expereinced characters is frustrating. This is like the 3rd or 4th time we've seen someone get the drop on them; if they were any other characters they should all already be dead.

    WARNING: some comic semi-spoilers ahead, although I'd assume most everyone has heard the gist of them by now.

    Anyway, I thought I'd take a moment to do some analysis on who might get killed/bashed or whatever in the finale:

    Daryl - 40%. Right now I'd say he looks like the highest probability. He's the featured guest on Talking Dead along with the producer/writer, so that seems like a lineup intended to defend the decision and console fans somewhat. He would be potentially the most devastating loss of all the characters from the fan-side, but in terms of major future storylines, he's not as big a loss since he was never in the comics. But, given the end of last night's episode and his overwhelming popularity, maybe he gets a pass.

    Carol - 40%. Her erratic behavior the past two episodes is all over the place and her character seems to be spiraling out of control. The actress looked really down in her last showing on TD, and seemed to pause every time she was asked a question, like she was trying to hold something major back. While she is possibly my favorite character on the show, I think her time may just be up. Even if she isn't bashed, I suspect she might die regardless. Perhaps we'll lose both Carol and Daryl, which would be as devastating as it gets for a show like this.

    Michonne - 35%. Originally I'd have her in the untouchable category, but now that she's with Rick, she becomes someone that would make it a massive traumatic loss to Rick. And let's face it, with the way he has been behaving, he is overdue for a comeuppance. Rick's scene with Abraham reinforced the stakes are greater. Add to that in real life, the actress is a successful playwright who might have deeper career ambitions, I wouldn't be too surprised if she's the one to go. Still, having the show with no samurai sword would be really a setback. And even this show may have problems head-bashing a woman. Of course as above, no one promised only one major character would die.

    Glenn - 30%. As has been widely publicized, Glenn was the character in the comics that got Negan-bashed. I'd say he's still a high probability target, but given his escape from death earlier in the season, he might have bought himself a reprieve.

    Rosita - 20%. She survives a long while in the comics, but since Sasha has more or less supplanted her and Abraham dumped her ass, she doesn't seem to have as much use. But her lack of overall importance to the show may also keep her alive as well.

    Maggie - 10%. Looks like she might lose her baby and/or her man, so that's enough devastation for her. Plus she's already been set up to for leadership in the aftermath so I think she's reasonably safe.

    Rick - 5%. Man oh man that would be the ballsiest thing in TV history to kill Rick off with a grand head-bashing. And let's face it, he kind of deserves it after being so overconfident of late. But this show is so much his story and his show that I sincerely doubt they would go that route.

    Morgan - 5%. As much as I wouldn't mind seeing him go, I think his presence as the Rick-counterbalance are too important for the show's current themes.

    Notcop - low probability to meet Negan but higher to die, especially with her girlfriend gone.

    Sasha - 2%. She seemed way too happy on TD for someone whose character had died. Plus with Andrea dead, she's the only resident sniper.

    Carl - 1%. He already got his eye blasted out, so I'm thinking he's safe for this finale.

    Judith - 0.5%. They wouldn't kill a baby would they? Even Negan wouldn't bash a baby!

    Non-descript other characters - they may not get Negan'd but I'm guessing a few more will go by episode's end.


    Last night, I also started thinking we might get a twofer of major character deaths.

    I would put Glen an equal chance with Daryl, though, precisely because of his earlier bullet dodge.

    I wasn't thinking Michonne, but your reasoning is sound. Rick is definitely setting himself up for a hubris smackdown. But, really, I think any major character's death will pull that off. Also, Morgan could very easily pick up that sword. Or Carl.

    I'm putting Rosita's odds of death as pretty high, though I don't count her as a major character (I was glad she put her hat back on, so I remember who she is). Her dying would give Abraham some interesting drama to play with. It's almost like she's set up to go.

    Carol is looking more and more likely to me, and that would be devastating, personally. Her character arc has played out, for sure. That doesn't mean she couldn't get a new one, but she's in a good place to die, unfortunately. The only thing that brings her percentage down a bit is the obviousness of it. The fact that they started the episode with an echo of the coming battle scene with her shows they wanted to give the moment special importance. Then Morgan and Rick didn't find her, and the tension was building to the point where they tossed in a fake zombie Carol to maintain it longer. It just seems too obvious a path for her to be dead at the end of the search. And Rick went home. Surely, it's far more dramatically interesting for him to find her. Of course, a lot can happen in 90 minutes, so he may yet.

    So they are definitely setting up for a major death, as predicted, and it may even be two. I think we'll lose some B-Tier character or characters, as well (Rosita, for example). The only thing I think is unlikely is the loss of both Daryl and Carol. If one of them goes, the other has to stay to deal with it, I'd think (it would set either of them on a new path). However, if they wind up in the same room together when it goes down, that changes everything. If either one sees the other go down, I don't think they'd survive the revenge attack.

  • Jimmy the Fish
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    As Rittchard points out, the second half of this season has been royally frustrating with all the illogical and reckless behavior displayed by characters who should know better. I guess the writers want to show how becoming over-confident and comfortable in their situation results in questionable decisions but it goes against everything that they have been doing the last 5 seasons for the most part. The group stupidity is jarring from a viewer standpoint. It was almost like a Benny Hill chase skit watching half the regular cast go chasing after Carol and Daryl.

    Maybe it was just me but did it feel like that last voice over at the very end was tacked on? Almost like after the producers saw how much commotion resulted from Glenn's infamous dumpster "death" they wanted to put that last line in to make sure internet fandom doesn't have a collective brain hemorrhage.

    As for who gets the bat at next week, my money is on Daryl or Glenn. Still not convinced Carol will be whacked because despite her new found angst, she is still the most complex character out of the three and I feel there is still more to explore about the character. Daryl seems obvious but since he is not in the comic, it might be too appealing to the writers to keep him around to give them freedom to write whatever they want with him. I still think Glenn is a likely candidate for the obvious comic book parallels.

    I really doubt Rick, Michonne, or Carl are in danger. I can't remember where I saw it but I recall Kirkman saying that the the whole Walking Dead comic story is really about those three characters. Everything revolves around them. I wouldn't expect them to stray from that basic premise in the show.
  • Bullwinkle
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    As Rittchard points out, the second half of this season has been royally frustrating with all the illogical and reckless behavior displayed by characters who should know better. I guess the writers want to show how becoming over-confident and comfortable in their situation results in questionable decisions but it goes against everything that they have been doing the last 5 seasons for the most part. The group stupidity is jarring from a viewer standpoint. It was almost like a Benny Hill chase skit watching half the regular cast go chasing after Carol and Daryl.

    Maybe it was just me but did it feel like that last voice over at the very end was tacked on? Almost like after the producers saw how much commotion resulted from Glenn's infamous dumpster "death" they wanted to put that last line in to make sure internet fandom doesn't have a collective brain hemorrhage.

    As for who gets the bat at next week, my money is on Daryl or Glenn. Still not convinced Carol will be whacked because despite her new found angst, she is still the most complex character out of the three and I feel there is still more to explore about the character. Daryl seems obvious but since he is not in the comic, it might be too appealing to the writers to keep him around to give them freedom to write whatever they want with him. I still think Glenn is a likely candidate for the obvious comic book parallels.

    I really doubt Rick, Michonne, or Carl are in danger. I can't remember where I saw it but I recall Kirkman saying that the the whole Walking Dead comic story is really about those three characters. Everything revolves around them. I wouldn't expect them to stray from that basic premise in the show.


    I also felt they did the voice in post.

    It's so clear that someone is going, and the buzz is out there that Glenn took the beating in the book (even for those of us who didn't read the comics), plus the consensus is that it'll be Glenn or Daryl, so I wouldn't be surprised to see someone out of left field.
  • Punisher
    GT Member
    My wife's birthday is on Sunday and she has stated that she will not watch Sunday's episode until Monday so that her birthday isn't ruined.
    She already knows that I know something is coming up, but I couldn't honestly say to who.. There is enough divergence from the comic to make it anybodies guess...
    Daryl isn't in the comic, Carol has been gone from the comic for a while now, as mentioned, Glenn gets it in the comic, etc...
    I am thinking it has to be Glenn, Daryl, Carol, or Abraham.. by the end of the episode they are at a point in the comic where all 4 are already gone...
  • rittchard
    GT Member
    WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?!?!??!?!?

    Ummm can you say biggest copout ever????? It was like the best porn build up ever with no release lol. I guess the good news is no one is actually dead yet. The bad news is we have to wait an eternity and the impact will be gone. Bad decision for the show, IMHO.
  • Punisher
    GT Member
    on 1459737778:

    WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?!?!??!?!?

    Ummm can you say biggest copout ever????? It was like the best porn build up ever with no release lol. I guess the good news is no one is actually dead yet. The bad news is we have to wait an eternity and the impact will be gone. Bad decision for the show, IMHO.


    Yes. My wife was cursing up a storm over that..(I convinced her to watch even though she didn't want to ruin her birthday)
    This is going to be a horrible 7 months...
  • disarm
    GT Member
    on 1459737778:

    WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?!?!??!?!?

    Ummm can you say biggest copout ever????? It was like the best porn build up ever with no release lol. I guess the good news is no one is actually dead yet. The bad news is we have to wait an eternity and the impact will be gone. Bad decision for the show, IMHO.


    Someone is most definitely dead, it's just a mystery who took the beatdown from Lucille. While the cliffhanger kind of stinks, Scott Gimple (show runner) actually gave an interesting reason for it on Talking Dead. This half season has told a story of Rick's people encountering the Saviors, and reached its pinnacle tonight when they met Negan. The instant Negan kills one of the group, the whole story changes. Nothing is the same for Rick and his people. This season's story is complete now that they know who (and what) Negan really is, and when the show returns, that death is the beginning of a whole new story for the core characters.

    Yes, leaving the audience hanging until October is a little cruel, but they felt that seeing which character dies and any reaction to it is part of the new story that begins next season. Personally, I don't really mind. It's not like knowing the target just before going to credits would really change anything.
  • Bullwinkle
    GT Member
    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    Seriously, this whole episode was milking it. The entire thing was a tease with no release whatsoever.

    That reasoning about the death starting the next part of the story is bullshit. The death ends this part, then they know and the world is changed. The next part is into the changed world. This is just no resolution whatsoever. I expect better from these guys. This is just terrible.

    I would say it's as bad as the Sopranos, but that was a series ender, and we will get some resolution. It's closer to the non-reveal of the hatch at the end of Lost's first season, but that didn't bother me nearly as much because it's not like everything happening in the season was about that hatch. It was just one facet.

    This whole half season was not about Rick encountering the Saviors. It was about the build up to who Negan was and what he can do. The saviors were just the delivery system that lead to Negan. And then we didn't get the payoff. It wasn't "The Last Day on Earth" for anyone. Boo.

    On the plus side, I'm excited that Trevor from GTA V is the second in command.
  • naednek
    GT Moderator
    "On the plus side, I'm excited that Trevor from GTA V is the second in command."
    Ok, that made me chuckle.

    I liked the episode. Tense and suspenseful, and major character building
  • Bullwinkle
    GT Member
    on 1459748313:

    "On the plus side, I'm excited that Trevor from GTA V is the second in command."
    Ok, that made me chuckle.

    I liked the episode. Tense and suspenseful, and major character building


    Just in case folks don't know, that really is him.

    I wanted to see how I'd feel after a night's sleep, and I'm still pretty irritated.

    I'm remembering quotes from the cast about how they were feeling sick to their stomachs filming the episode. Of course, now I realize that this may be because they headed into the filming hiatus not knowing if they'd have a steady paycheck when they returned. Carl posted this on twitter:


    @chandlerriggs
    if it makes you feel any better i still don't know who got killed and it's been like 6 months since i read the script


    That's got to suck.
  • Punisher
    GT Member
    on 1459783222:


    @chandlerriggs
    if it makes you feel any better i still don't know who got killed and it's been like 6 months since i read the script


    No Carl... It doesn't make me feel any better.. :P

    I'd say Carl and Rick are the only 2 that would be considered super safe so he should be fine.
    I wonder how that is going to work for the rest though.. do they show up for work one day and get told "Oh, you didn't get the memo?"
    at this point in the comics we know who gets it, but comics wise there is a lot of canon fodder available as there are multiple people that are gone from the comics by now (or not even in them)
    IIRC in the comics, this scene only had 4-5 people in it.
  • Bullwinkle
    GT Member
    I forgot one of the main reasons I came back in here.

    I read a very interesting theory somewhere (some recap I can't be bothered to find now) that JSS Girl (had to look: Enid), who has been wandering alone into the woods for months and has mostly seemed hostile to the Alexandrians for taking care of her, may be a Savior herself. This would give the timing of the roadblocks a bit more logic if their departure was orchestrated. It also means that she's been playing Maggie and, in fact, poisoned her.

    I don't know that they're going to do this, as she did seem to be honestly turning around and does seem to care about Carl, but it sure would make her a more interesting character.
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